Sunday, May 25, 2008

A Tale Of Two Spoilers

[Author's Note: There are no Lost spoilers contained in this article.]

When, if ever, is it ethical to post detailed spoilers about the biggest plot twists on Lost? I am in no way attempting to answer that question, but I am trying to show that there are seemingly logical reasons for several arguments regarding major Lost spoilers.

Last year, someone by the name of Lostfan108, spoiled the big twists of the Season 3 finale. Andy Page, of DarkUFO, ultimately re-released the same spoilers and, due to the popularity of his website, became the primary source of the material for many readers and other spoiler hunters.

Andy explains his motives:
"They were posted by Lostfan108 directly into an open discussion forum at AICN, without any warning, causing choas. They were then deleted but the cat was out of the bag. Lostfan108 told us we could post them but if we didn't by a certain date he would release them into the wild. We then slowly reposted the spoilers to try and limit the damage and to give people warnings that these big spoilers were about to break. We released them in snippets over a 3-4 day period."

The backlash from DarkUFO's decision is now widely debated. Some claim because of the spoilers the Lost creators backed away from talking to fans over the hiatus. However, Damon Lindelof, one of the creators of Lost, speaking just after the season ended last year, denied that their lack of willingness to talk to fans resulted from the spoilers.
"Honestly, the reason for the silence is we don’t want to tell the audience what to think about where the show is going to be next year."

"Next year" is now, and a similar scene is playing out across the internet. Andy has posted details of the Season 4 finale on DarkUFO and what followed was seemingly a bit chaotic. For example Lostpedia, the popular Lost wiki, was victimized by vandals spoiling other users about next week's finale. They have now locked their spoiler section and prevented new users from registering to the site as defensive measures to prevent the thousands of users that edit the wiki daily from unintentionally being spoiled. Part of this preventive measure, on Lostpedia's part, was due to alerts from DarkUFO that the spoilers were eminent. Unlike last year, the spoiler details were directly released through DarkUFO. Andy told me that this was partly done to help other websites, like Lostpedia, curb people from ruining it for those who did not want to be spoiled.
"I personally would rather Lostfan108 did not release the info at all, but once he does it's not going to stop him. We tried this year to give as much warning to users and fellow Lost sites/message boards to "batten down the hatches" so to speak."
The preventive measures seem to have worked, to a degree, as Lostpedia's actions show. Many Lostpedia users were still spoiled unintentionally, which is something that Andy, from my impressions, would in no way be happy about. Jon Lachonis, "DocArzt" of DocArzt.com, also posts spoilers about Lost on his blog.

Jon told me that as far as spoilers are concerned "If it's been in a preview, it's fair game." That seems to be a very different mantra to that which Andy is using for his choices regarding spoilers. Jon elaborates.
"If you're out there with an exclusive, the only reason you are running it is to enhance your business.  Now what separates something like Star magazine from Entertainment Weekly?   Star doesn't care who they hurt when they publish their exclusives, Entertainment Weekly goes for a more complimentary and collaborative approach."
Notice Jon uses the word "hurt." He again used the word when referring to Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse's opinions of spoilers.
"Those are two very nice guys who are way more geeky about this story than we are, you can hear it in their voices, and who wants to hurt them?  And it does, it hurts them to put so much effort into creating a unique viewing experience for us, and the spoilers just reduce it to a pantomime of what they originally intended."
Jon thinks that the readers have their impressions of the show pre-determined by the opinions that spoiler leakers, in this case Lostfan108, have on an episode.
"It creates a false impression of the episode.  It's like somebody walking into a gallery, looking at a painting, then going and telling someone about it.  They'll have an emotional impression of that person's reactions, and they'll only know the subtleties that he remembered."
Andy and Jon's stances may seem almost opposite, but when you start thinking about the bigger picture they may not be. Both are huge fans of Lost. They each say they love the show more than they've loved any other TV show. At the end of the day, I'm sure they both would tell you they do what they do out of love for the show.

The two have kind words for each other as well. It is my understanding that they consider each other friends, albeit friends with slightly different viewpoints when it comes to spoilers. Neither of their sites simply focus on spoilers. Each have insightful reviewers posting articles about the show. Each have enthusiastic communities that go hand in hand with their sites. And the message boards that accompany these communities have many more discussions about theories, easter eggs and Jater/Skater arguments than they do about spoilers.

Spoilers aren't going to disappear by any means, and the community seems to be evolving with this idea even more as the seasons pass. I wouldn't be surprised if by Season 6 the release of the episode synopsis about the final episode of Lost would be something that was coordinated by many sites, to ensure that those who want to read it can. And those who don't want to read it, don't. Lostpedia's actions this year seem to be a step in that direction.

Is it ethical to post these detailed spoilers? Many will say yes. And many will say no. Either way they exist, and it is up to the community to embrace this fact as elegantly as possible to ensure the best viewing experience for everyone involved.

22 comments:

bobthecob said...

Good Article. Hopefully our next debate on irc will be this very topic of spoilers.

Congested said...

Oh no you just gave us debate spoilers!

the [s u g a r c r a c k] diaries said...

Great article! Spoilers are the exact reason why I don't check any Lost sites until the entire season is over!

Admiral Neck said...

It's amazing how determined spoiler jerks are now. After doing a search on YouTube for finale promos on Thursday afternoon the first clip that came up was illustrated with a picture that revealed the identity of one major casualty in large letters. That was that surprise ruined utterly, and I thought I was being careful.

Shannon Horrocks said...

Great article. What is interesting is that I am VERY against spoilers and I read DARKUFO's site everyday and I never managed to read any spoilers concerning the Season 4 finale (of course I'm careful). I just wish there was a safe way to read about LOST news without being bombarded by spoiler jerks. As I see it, the whole point of watching a TV show, especially LOST, is to experience the surprise aspect of it. Why would you rather read about the surprises on a boring website instead of gaining the intensity of the surprise on the show as you watch it?

Anonymous said...

I find those who release those season finale spoilers irresponsible. It's not just that it hurts Darlton, et. al., but also that it is going to get out there to those of us who don't want our viewing experience ruined. Because of the leak and Andy's choice to support that leak, I knew who was in the coffin before the finale aired. It made me very angry because I was being very careful, but then some jerk grabbed the information and posted it without warning. Lostpedia's lockdown (Locke-down?) was just a bit late in the game; hopefully they've learnt that lesson and will lock the wiki down earlier next season. That still won't prevent the very determined. The best way is to not have it out there in the first place, and certainly not support it on one of the biggest Lost fan sites around.

Ben said...

I personally love spoilers, and I don't feel as though reading them detracts from my appreciation of any episode. For me, reading spoilers is like reading an awesome book, and then watching the TV show based on said book. Of course this isn't the way the producers intend the show to be received, but the mythology of the show itself is so fascinating, I'm indifferent in regards to how it's presented to me.

I do sympathize with the producers and it's a shame that there are so many people out there who take it upon themselves to ruin the show for those who try so hard to avoid spoilers. There's not a lot of respect for spoiler-heads like myself, and the disrespect is a result of the actions of spoiler trolls, at least in my own humble opinion.

Again, I love spoilers, and as long as they're available to me, I'll read them, but I'll never force others to do so or have the foolish expectation that my reasons for reading spoilers will be understood.

The problem lies with the people, not the spoilers.

Johnny Walker said...

Um, who says "yes" in your article? Even Andy admits he'd rather not. In fact the general consensus is that the world would be a better place without them.

Henry Holland said...

I was a total spoiler ho for the first 3 seasons, even though I avoided the twist at the end of season 3. I vowed to go spoiler free during season 4 --anything beyond the promo shown at the end of the episodes for the next week was considered a spoiler-- and it improved my enjoyment of the show 1000%.

Andy at DarkUFO was in a tough spot with regards to this season's ending and he and DocArzt did a good job of shielding us non-spoiler people from it. I was totally shocked at who it was, I got that totally wrong.

The end of season 6 is going to be insane, however, I might have to have a total media blackout before the final finale.

Necronomichrist said...

The way I see it, the spoilers will always be there, and the internet is good for supplying this kinda crap. I love the show more than any other show ever, and I do read some things like theories, and articles on Lostpedia. I have a good track record of keeping my eyes only on what I want to see. I don't watch previews for upcoming episodes because they glorify certain parts of the show that aren't really that intersting, and I don't NEED to know what the idea of the episode is going to be. I know it's going to be great(With exception of a few episodes). So just be aware of what you may be reading.

Anonymous said...

Here here!!
I make a point of not looking at anythign that could have spoilers on, simply because it ruins the 'spoiled' episode for me. Hopefully in the future it will be easier to steer clear of spoilers for those who wants to :)

Carlos said...

I'm against spoiling myself and other people (though i often use it as a means of extorsion xD).

That said, I have to say the the answer or solution is not ethical, because the people who leak spoilers know exactly what they're doing, and are absolutely concious of the consequences.

The solution, even if we don't like it, is to avoid sites where we know spoilers are lurking about and roaming free.

There are people who enjoy spoilers, and as long as those people hunt and rave for them, the leakages are legitimated, even if most people consider it unfair or wrong.

It may suck. Yes, hell it does. But fortunatly we can still avoid being spoiled. Does it take some fun away? If you like discussing the show online, of course.

But sometimes life's a damn Catch-22, or parafrasing my favourite character, a real fickle bitch.

JakeTheFatMan said...

"In fact the general consensus is that the world would be a better place without them."

Wow, you guys are worse than whiney children. Maybe Congress can pass a law to ban all websites that mention spoilers?

As someone not from the good ol' US of A I don't see how "Lostpedia" is not considered spoiler site. Maybe you guys should complain about that. Episodes screen a few weeks behind in Australia, I very easily avoid spoilers by NOT visiting most forums or chat rooms. As far as I know the internet hasn't collapsed in on itself.

I consider it a very small price I pay for the freedom of speech on the internet. Some people may enjoy reading the spoilers, I have no right to speak for them.

Junge84 said...

i know spoilers are touchy for some people and rightly so... it really ruins the anticipation when the answers you want are right behind a link and its so tempting! personally, i love reading them and i still get extremely excited when the episode comes out. the season 4 ending caused a lot of trouble because it was the biggest reveal yet. the spoilers didn't do the actual release justice and made it seem ridiculous. once the show aired, it was IMO the best episode yet. the spoilers also failed to highlight half the events that occured (i.e. Walt, Mr. Eko reference, Ben not being able to return, Desmond getting rescued too, Claire appearing to Kate off island). So no matter what's released, there are still more questions and speculation.

for those against it simply don't read them (easier said than done i know). for those who read them, meditate and speculate early.

Hunter61 said...

I fullheartedly agree with the Fatman. This US-centered discussion is ridiculous and hypocrite in my eyes. For us Europeans the whole Lostpedia is one big spoiler, but do you hear us complaining about it?

Here are some other points to use in your 'debates':

- the third most looked page (after main page and episode page) of Lostpedia is the spoilerpage for Season 4 (1.1 million views)

- the biggest spoiler released (and a wrong one by that) was by Kristin Dos Santos who spoiled the Oceanic Six. Nobody attacks her, though, while her site is much more commercial than Dark's, and she still is allowed on set by the producers.

- The sysops of Lostpedia only want to allow 'facts' on a Wikipedia, and therefore have shut down the spoilerpages. However, there were more facts on those pages than on the hundreds of theorypages that are accompanying the factpages.

Cosmos said...

Are spoilers ethical? In my view, they're not. All they do is remove the element of surprise which few shows do as well as Lost. Does this mean spoilers should be banned? Absolutely not. As long as spoilers are available, and people seek them, they should exist.

In an ideal world, I would hope the people who seek spoilers realise what it takes away from the show, and that the demand shrinks to such an extent that debates like these will no longer be necessary.

Unfortunately, we seem to be heading in the opposite direction, where more and more people refuse to be made to wait for some information. So despite not having heard any convincing reason why spoilers are good (except "I like them", which is fair enough), I can only see this problem becoming more frequent.

Anonymous said...

i'll admit that i tend to be drawn to spoilers, but at the same time try to avoid ones that give away the big surprises (such as the twist at the end of season 3). while i'm careful with spoilers there have been times when i've endedup ruining part of an episode for myself. at the same time, spoilers (such as someone getting killed in the season finale of NCIS) only heightened the experience for me

KilgoreTrout said...

I really don't think spoilers in general are ethical.

But, in the case of DarkUFO, who released them in a responsible way in order to keep those who did not want to partake from being spoiled, I thought it was a good decision.

Releasing spoilers just to release spoilers for me are akin to walking into an art gallery, taking cell-phone pictures of an artists' work, then displaying them outside using crappy photo print-outs. Or maybe more like breaking into an author's home, stealing a work in progress and scanning them onto the internet for all to see.

It's not about money or revenue in a case like this. It's about taking away the artists' right to present their own work when/how they want to.

Alex said...

If you don't want to read the spoilers, here's a bold idea...Don't read them.

LucasJenkins said...

First of all, how do people actually come across these spoilers? If the Lost Producers are being so secret about it all, where do they come from?
Luckily, I don't stumble across any and for someone to ruin the peace that is the Island, it's just fucking annoying.
Also, the amount of viewers I know has decreased a lot. I only know 3 people now who watch it, as opposed to everyone who did at the beginning, so for those who have come this far without being utterly bamboozled by Lost's creativeness and mysteriousness, to ruin it for them, no go.

GreekfoX said...

The thing is that spoilers appear EVERYWHERE, not just on spoiler sites. For example, Jeremy's identity and many more were revealed on a comment in YouTube!! I simply signed in to watch the preview for the season finale, people were posting their comments and speculations, and then one twat (pardon the language) decides to ruin it for everyone in there! It's simply sad that people like that exist.. If you want to be spoiled, fine! Why go around spoiling it for others? It's really hurting the fans and the show. No one's going to stop watching Lost because of them but half of the excitement is gone for no descent reason.

GreekfoX said...

The thing is that spoilers appear EVERYWHERE, not just on spoiler sites. For example, Jeremy's identity and many more were revealed on a comment in YouTube!! I simply signed in to watch the preview for the season finale, people were posting their comments and speculations, and then one twat (pardon the language) decides to ruin it for everyone in there! It's simply sad that people like that exist.. If you want to be spoiled, fine! Why go around spoiling it for others? It's really hurting the fans and the show. No one's going to stop watching Lost because of them but half of the excitement is gone for no descent reason.